Posts by paul from cleveland

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How confident are you about various so called facts?

by slimboyfat in

no facts about the world are absolutely certain.

that being the case i wonder how others would rank amd rate their confidence in various factual statements about the world.

i am going to rate my confidence in ten items of "knowledge" as a percentage.

paul from cleveland

I believe that I can't know anything with certainty except that I'm conscious and that I exist. I can't prove that anything exists outside my mind. I can't really know whether or not I'm living in a solypsism. I don't live like I'm in a solypsism only because I might not be and there may really be others.

Anything is possible. Perhaps Kurzweil's singularity has already occurred centuries ago and I'm existing in a virtual world where nothing is what it seems but just a projection of my mind.

Sometimes I wish I was the only consciousness because that would mean the world with all the pain and suffering doesn't exist and the worst that anyone has ever suffered would be what I went through.

Again, although I think that's a possibility, I don't behave that way because maybe it's not.

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I need help finding 2 specific Awake or Watchtower articles from 70's or 80's regarding converting homosexuals.

by paul from cleveland in

i remember reading at least 2 articles from the 70's or early 80's referencing people that supposedly changed from gay to straight while jehovah's witnesses.

i can't remember the specifics or maybe i was just reading that into the article at the time.

does anyone remember these articles or something similar?.

paul from cleveland

Ugh, Zoos, your experience was similar to mine. I would pray and pray and beg god to make me straight or at least be able to endure the situation. Neither prayer was answered. The only good that came out of it was that it got me out of the cult. Otherwise, I might be still on the Watchtower treadmill to this day...

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I need help finding 2 specific Awake or Watchtower articles from 70's or 80's regarding converting homosexuals.

by paul from cleveland in

i remember reading at least 2 articles from the 70's or early 80's referencing people that supposedly changed from gay to straight while jehovah's witnesses.

i can't remember the specifics or maybe i was just reading that into the article at the time.

does anyone remember these articles or something similar?.

paul from cleveland

krejames, I know, me too. It's all a pack of lies. I haven't been watching anything Watchtower for a while but I recently discovered their tv channel. One of the GB was blaming their pedophilia problems on gay men. So ridiculous. Every case I see in the news is straight men going after little girls. They keep trying to demonize gay people. I'm so glad I'm not in that prison any more.

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I need help finding 2 specific Awake or Watchtower articles from 70's or 80's regarding converting homosexuals.

by paul from cleveland in

i remember reading at least 2 articles from the 70's or early 80's referencing people that supposedly changed from gay to straight while jehovah's witnesses.

i can't remember the specifics or maybe i was just reading that into the article at the time.

does anyone remember these articles or something similar?.

paul from cleveland

Zoos, It was these two articles that made me believe that change was possible. After I read those I thought I too could change. I spent 19 years trying. From about age 13 until I was 32. It's a long sordid story that didn't end well. My sister, never a Witness, is working on something and needed some information regarding my journey. If you're interested in the details you can PM me. I just don't want to put it out in public yet.

btw, yes I no longer believe those stories of change. I think the person being interviewed was practicing "fake it til you make it". Pretending to be straight in hopes that by changing behavior the feelings would come later. Of course they never do.

At the end, when I realized it was all a lie, I wrote to the Watchtower asking if I could meet the person who was interviewed. I didn't know, at that time, that they just send the letter back to the elders to deal with. The elders told me that they were sure the person wouldn't want to be identified because it would be too embarrassing. I said that's not true! If I found a way to change from gay to straight I would shout it from the rooftops and help others who wanted to change. The whole experience left be believing the story was made up.

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I need help finding 2 specific Awake or Watchtower articles from 70's or 80's regarding converting homosexuals.

by paul from cleveland in

i remember reading at least 2 articles from the 70's or early 80's referencing people that supposedly changed from gay to straight while jehovah's witnesses.

i can't remember the specifics or maybe i was just reading that into the article at the time.

does anyone remember these articles or something similar?.

paul from cleveland

Thank you Heaven! I'm doing well.

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I need help finding 2 specific Awake or Watchtower articles from 70's or 80's regarding converting homosexuals.

by paul from cleveland in

i remember reading at least 2 articles from the 70's or early 80's referencing people that supposedly changed from gay to straight while jehovah's witnesses.

i can't remember the specifics or maybe i was just reading that into the article at the time.

does anyone remember these articles or something similar?.

paul from cleveland

Yes, the second one was the one I specifically remember. Thank you very much!

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I need help finding 2 specific Awake or Watchtower articles from 70's or 80's regarding converting homosexuals.

by paul from cleveland in

i remember reading at least 2 articles from the 70's or early 80's referencing people that supposedly changed from gay to straight while jehovah's witnesses.

i can't remember the specifics or maybe i was just reading that into the article at the time.

does anyone remember these articles or something similar?.

paul from cleveland

Thank you TheOldHippie, I think that was one of them. I thought there was another one where someone got married... I'm not sure.

Edit: Sorry, I responded before seeing the second article.

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I need help finding 2 specific Awake or Watchtower articles from 70's or 80's regarding converting homosexuals.

by paul from cleveland in

i remember reading at least 2 articles from the 70's or early 80's referencing people that supposedly changed from gay to straight while jehovah's witnesses.

i can't remember the specifics or maybe i was just reading that into the article at the time.

does anyone remember these articles or something similar?.

paul from cleveland

I seem to remember that they referenced some unnamed brothers that were formerly gay but became straight and went on to get married, etc. Of course that was a long time ago so I may be remembering incorrectly...

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I need help finding 2 specific Awake or Watchtower articles from 70's or 80's regarding converting homosexuals.

by paul from cleveland in

i remember reading at least 2 articles from the 70's or early 80's referencing people that supposedly changed from gay to straight while jehovah's witnesses.

i can't remember the specifics or maybe i was just reading that into the article at the time.

does anyone remember these articles or something similar?.

paul from cleveland

I remember reading at least 2 articles from the 70's or early 80's referencing people that supposedly changed from gay to straight while Jehovah's Witnesses. I can't remember the specifics or maybe I was just reading that into the article at the time. Does anyone remember these articles or something similar?

Thank you. I no longer have any Watchtower literature myself.

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The hardship of being a gay Jehovahs witness.

by truthwillsetyoufree in

please spare a moment to consider the difiiculties faced by gay jehovahs witnesses.

i was raised and baptised as a very serious jw.

every waking moment of my day was lived for jehovahs and his organization and for nothing else.

paul from cleveland

This is one of the major proofs that the Witnesses don't have the truth (to me at least). There is no place for gay people. There really isn't. The truth should have a place for everyone.